Pro-Pogrom Fan Scenes

[TetinKlimente]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQvDEahDeXE

[Andy]

I can't be bothered to watch this all, sorry.
There was a discussion a few years ago - not sure in this forum or not - about a book that wrote about "far-right" fan scenes in Europe and put Beitar in there with some really horrible neo-Nazi groups. That was terrible enough. Although Beitar have their awful fans, it has to be remembered that many of their support come from Jews that were evicted after 1948 from the various Arab countries with little warning - see multiple sources - then had to create an identity in a divided city in a country dominated from more European Jews. If this video shows this nuance, then respect to it, but at the beginning it looks for a comparison with white nationalists, so I doubt it.
Nonetheless, and as anyone that has experienced Israeli football, it is all a little low key and small there. They, unlike hooligans from other countries, play a small role in politics.
But, maybe you aren't interested in a serious discussion, because, by giving this thread the same name as the thread against fan scenes that supported Hamas after the 7.10 pogrom, you imply that this is on the same level. I really don't know what to say to this. It is just a pure relativism of what happened on October 7th.
The question is then why?

[TetinKlimente]

I can't be bothered to watch this all, sorry.
There was a discussion a few years ago - not sure in this forum or not - about a book that wrote about "far-right" fan scenes in Europe and put Beitar in there with some really horrible neo-Nazi groups. That was terrible enough. Although Beitar have their awful fans, it has to be remembered that many of their support come from Jews that were evicted after 1948 from the various Arab countries with little warning - see multiple sources - then had to create an identity in a divided city in a country dominated from more European Jews. If this video shows this nuance, then respect to it, but at the beginning it looks for a comparison with white nationalists, so I doubt it.
Nonetheless, and as anyone that has experienced Israeli football, it is all a little low key and small there. They, unlike hooligans from other countries, play a small role in politics.
But, maybe you aren't interested in a serious discussion, because, by giving this thread the same name as the thread against fan scenes that supported Hamas after the 7.10 pogrom, you imply that this is on the same level. I really don't know what to say to this. It is just a pure relativism of what happened on October 7th.
The question is then why?

Quite the contrary: I believe that to condemn every form of extremism and barbarism equally, without relativisation, is a pre-requisite for a serious discussion in the first place - something for which unfortunately I have seen little willingness for on this forum.